Not So Fast
Listed in: BasketballAt the start of the season, the New York Knicks were supposed to be an open and shut case.
The Isiah Thomas reign had hit an all time low in 2006, and most fully expected this current season would be his last. To call the Knicks of last season a disappointment would have been the understatement of the century.
They were an overpaid, over hyped punch line to a joke everyone else in the league was laughing at. For a team that had employed the likes of Scott Layden, another well known punch line, that was not something easy to do.
Finally when the Knicks started off poorly at home and ended up in a brawl with the Denver Nuggets after an embarrassing defeat in front of the Garden faithful, the vultures began to circle. Some wondered whether Thomas would make it to the New Year, let alone the end of the season.
Oh how things have changed in a little over a month and a half.
The Knicks are still not a playoff team in anything but the division they play in. They are a sub .500 squad, the symbol of inconsistency in the NBA. They can look like chumps, getting outscored 40-12 in the first quarter by the Miami Heat without Dwayne Wade and Shaq. Then less than a week later, they can slam the Heat with both Wade and Shaq by 20 points.
John outlined this inconsistency somewhat in his latest post, but said that Thomas and Marbury need to go. However, while you can still certainly make an argument for that, there now is a legitimate case for Thomas continuing on. And John actually helps make that case, saluting some Isiah guys including two who were blasted upon arrival, Eddie Curry and Quentin Richardson.
Don’t laugh. Let’s look at this Knicks roster as currently constituted, now that all of these guys are Thomas’.
How about Channing Frye and David Lee being on the team? While Frye has been up and down this season, Knick fans are generally happy with that selection given he has all the tools to have a bright future. Lee, meanwhile has become a fan favorite with his hard work and hustle on the boards. He is an early contender for sixth man of the year with a Rodman-esque presence on the boards (averaging 10.8 RPG). He doesn’t have much of an offensive game, but is huge for the Knickerbockers. With Eddie Curry’s poor prowess on the glass, Lee has helped the Knicks make up the difference.
And let’s talk for a moment about Mr. Curry. I was one of the people who laughed when that trade went down, and figured it was another reason for Isiah to be canned. As it turns out though, Curry appears to be out of the woods with his heart condition (appears because one can never be 100% sure) and has blossomed into a very good offensive big man. He’s averaging 19.3 points a game and seven boards. He still has the ability to be a 20/10 guy but even if he doesn’t reach that point, there’s a better chance he’s going to be contribute to the Knicks than Tyrus Thomas, Michael Sweetney and yes, even Greg Oden. (How many can’t miss prospects have missed over the years?)
Zeke swapped Kurt Thomas for Quentin Richardson while replacing Thomas with Lee. Which combo would the Knicks rather have? Jamal Crawford isn’t a great player, but on the other hand, neither are any of the players the Knicks gave up for him. It’s not about getting under the cap with the Knicks; so don’t bring that into the equation. Not to mention Crawford’s contract isn’t a cap breaker.
Is Isiah a good G.M.? Probably not. Is he average? That is certainly possible. One thing is certain, even if he is canned at the end of the season, he has left the Knicks in a better position than Scott Layden ever did. Layden turned the Knicks into the league’s dumping ground for bad contracts. Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Glen Rice; nothing but other people’s trash that Layden took on while receiving little in return.
Say what you want about Thomas; the worst contract he took on was Stephon Marbury’s. The off guard is overpaid, but he is still a solid contributor who makes the Knicks better. That’s more that can be said about the Layden acquisitions. Oh and that Layden could not draft to save his life. Don’t use the excuse about where the Knicks picked, he’s the guy who traded Nene (the number seven pick) and Marcus Camby for Antonio McDyess. Channing Frye is a better player than Michael Sweetney. David Lee was taken at the end of the first round.
And Isiah the coach also isn’t bad either. For all the accolades Larry Brown gets, the Knicks were a disgrace to the NBA last year. The blame was dropped at the feet of Thomas, but 2007 has shown that it was largely misplaced. This year the Knicks are 19-27. Last season the Knicks were 23-59! That means for Isiah to equal Brown, the Knicks would have to go 4 – 32 the rest of the way.
Folks, that’s how bad Brown was as a coach last year. Knick fans should be outraged that he actually got compensation for that joke of a job. Pick an average Joe off the street and they’d have a difficult time equaling that disaster.
You can rip the players who the general manager Thomas brought in, but then Thomas the coach is an all time great because he’s going to take largely the same roster to 10- 14 more wins this year. Or Brown is a really bad coach who should be arrested for larceny.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. Thomas is a better coach for the Knicks than Brown was because Isiah had a plan in mind. He wanted to play an up tempo, shoot first, light defensive scheme. Brown doesn’t do that. Rather than adapt, Brown stuck to his guns, trying to ride Marbury out of town. (Enter Steve Francis) He didn’t play the rookies because Brown never does (see how he nearly destroyed Darko Milicic’s career before it even began) and the Knicks were caught in limbo. They had players who didn’t fit the system and never would, while the coach wouldn’t play the guys who he could mold to make it work.
I have no inside information, but I cannot see how Thomas can be blamed for this. I do not believe he signed off on Brown; that was James Dolan wanting the name. That is likely the reason why Isiah got this last one last chance to clean it up. Dolan realized he brought the wrong guy in, and decided to let Isiah give it a shot. What did he have to lose after last season?
Isiah isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Jared Jeffries was a terrible signing, beaten only by Jerome James a year before. But there are plenty worse.
Bill Simmons loves to rip Isiah whenever he gets the chance, but Thomas would be a step up from Danny Ainge. If you want to see a GM take bad contracts, look no further than Wally Sczerbiak, who is making more than Eddie Curry. He’s also making more than Jamal Crawford or Quentin Richardson. Or how about Theo Ratliff, who is also making more than any of those three guys? Let us not also forget the fact Ainge traded the seventh pick in this last year’s draft for a 5’10 (maybe) point guard with no jump shot. Brilliant!
I don’t write this to say Isiah Thomas is a legendary general manager. I certainly would not want him running the Nets over Rod Thorn. However, Thomas is simply not the butcher New York wants to make him out to be. He had a vision, and believe it or not, it can be exciting and entertaining to watch.
Are the Knicks going to be world champions soon? Are they going to be ever under Isiah? That is certainly up for debate. The Knicks, judging by the fact their best young player on that Layden constructed team was Frank Williams or Sweetney, there’s actually probably little argument they have a brighter future.
I’m not even saying that Thomas should stay. All that is being said here is that for all the bad Zeke did with the Knicks in his tenure, he’s done about as much good. Unlike what many thought to start the year, firing Thomas and replacing him with anyone could actually make this franchise worse.
And to borrow what I said in response to John’s original post; that is an upset on its own.

Comments
There are "plenty" worse signings than Jerome James? Really?
Posted by: Seth | January 30, 2007 7:20 PM
As bad as Jerome James is, he signed for the mid level exception- something that is not destroying any team's cap. Is he any worse than say Brian Cardinal? Adonal Foyle? It's certainly not nearly as bad as Kenyon Martin's contract looks to Denver now. And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I can find some more bad ones.
Jerome James was bad because he was a waste of money. But the contract doesn't really hamstring the Knicks in any way.
Posted by: Ben Valentine | January 30, 2007 7:47 PM
In defense of Ainge, he traded Ratliff for Raef LaFrentz, who had a similar contract, but for one additional year. He also traded Sczcerbiak for Ricky Davis, who had a comporable contract and a horrible attitude. Davis wasn't meshing at all with Paul Pierce.
I'm willing to accept the argument that Thomas is a better GM than Scott Layden, but he's hardly a good GM. There are never sure things in draft picks, but countless great teams (Lakers, Celtics) have built dynasties on lottery picks gifted to them by mediocre squads. Seattle gave away an unprotected lottery pick for Gerald Henderson, and the Celtics used that pick to select Len Bias. The Lakers got an unprotected pick that turned into James Worthy. Fiddling around with unprotected lottery picks is a real recipe for disaster.
Curry also hasn't been much better than in the past. He still doesn't rebound well and is not getting any better on the defensive end, where the Knicks really struggle.
Also, the logic of signing Jared Jeffries to a 30 million dollar contract while rejecting a 7 million dollar one to the young Jackie Butler makes no sense. Trading Trevor Ariza in the Steve Francis deal doesn't either.
So while Thomas is definitely not the worst GM in the league, and guys like Kevin McHale, Billy King, and Ainge are worse, he's still not very good. It's like arguing that Michael Jordan was a good GM in Washington because he cleared salary away. The fact is that there's a reason why only Brendan Haywood, Jarvis Hayes, and Etan Thomas remain from the 02/03 Wizards.
Posted by: Pradamaster | January 30, 2007 8:50 PM
Fair points- remember I said there were certainly arguments as to why Thomas should be fired.
However Thomas has given the Knicks two good young players in Frye and Lee. The Richardson and Curry trades were good deals. I don't blame him for Francis because it really looks like he was forced to make that move to appease Larry Brown. Thus I can't compare him to Jordan, who dumped Rip Hamilton because he personally didn't along with him, or selecting Kwame Brown first overall. Isiah hasn't done anything to really set the Knicks back any further than they already were where as Jordan trashed the Wizards.
You are right in that messing non lottery protected picks is dangerous. That being said, there are plenty of times where the picks don't amount to anything. Thomas gambled on Curry, and looks as though he won.
I look at his moves and say he's broken about even. Whether he comes out slightly ahead or slightly behind depends on how highly you think of Frye, Lee and Curry as the future of the Knicks front court. I'm actually a Knicks hater, but have to admit all three look they can be very solid players for years to come. Since front court players aren't easy to come by, that's an accomplishment in my book.
Posted by: Ben Valentine | January 30, 2007 10:31 PM
Isiah's had three years to turn the team around, and it's no better off. According to 82games, David Lee is the only Knicks player contributing positive minutes this year. Francis, James, Curry were all awful decisions. That doesn't even get into the expiring contracts he dealt. Instead of getting rid of bad contracts he took on more. The team is seven games below five hundred in perhaps the worst division in league history. Channing Frye has completely fallen apart in his second season. The team doesn't play any defense whatsoever. His late-game coaching maneuvers are awful.
Three years later, the Knicks are in the exact same place: Salary cap hell, with no chance at a championship in the next half-decade.
But hey, David Lee was a good draft pick.
Posted by: Bryan | January 31, 2007 11:46 AM
The lack of a turnaround is reason for him being fired. Like I said, if he were canned, I couldn't say Dolan was wrong.
However, Bryan, you cannot say Lee is the only one contributing positive minutes. If it were the case, the Knicks would not have 20 wins. Frye is going through a sophmore slump, probably because his role has become less defined thanks to Curry's offensive emergence and Lee. As time goes on, he'll find himself. It is just his second year.
The time outs at the end of games are overrated. If your team misses the shot it's killed. If it hits no one cares. The Nets didn't have a time out against the Jazz but Carter hit a 30 foot three. No one cared. Don Nelson didn't call a time out against the Nets earlier in the week. Monta Ellis hits the game winning shot. And if Isiah was a brutal coach, why is this team going to be at least ten games better than they were under Larry Brown last year?
Look at that Knicks roster when Layden got fired. McDyess. Frank Williams, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley.
Now look at this roster. Curry. Lee. Frye. Marbury. Richardson. The Knicks are in a better place, if for no other reason in that the players on their roster have more value than Layden team.
Posted by: Ben Valentine | January 31, 2007 2:02 PM